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This is totally indicative of our relationship from the get go is that we can't figure out how to make the thing record
No we literally broke stuff right off the bat like perfectly good computer no sound I'm like rob step one is your volume up
I know I just turned 40 but way to make me feel super old it seems to be working so it seems to be working so we'll see how it goes how's it going it's fineAs good as it can be I’m working from home in a walk in closet that is soundproof so it's honestly what are you doing during these these hard circumstances
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It’s kind of crazy cause People cant tour or go to record stores or promote their album properly like what's the point of booking a billboard if no one is driving and the layers upon layers of actual shit we have to Wade through to like he's almost like real learning how to be a music person it's kind of nutsI think it's I think it's kind of relearning how to be a human person that's very true like you get up in the morning is I've never ever use like I hate using video calls and conferences I refuse to ever do it I much prefer to travel and just see you in person now that's literally what I'm doing basically 8 to 10 hours a day I'll be looking at people that I would normally look at it my office which is totally normal but now I'm looking at you like in your living room on your patio now do I get to I get to see who is richSo BizarreSee who I work with that's like rich I knew you were rich and now I know right it's a big aha moment Obviously the whole like seeing people in their living room saying is weird for everyone but like you seen the newscasters seeing right you know the people it's giving people a different like look into celebrities lives too. like somebody was talking the other day that people are still putting out all this content right because they're terrified that they're going to lose whatever you know Connection in fanbase they have but also like they're they're putting out content that they don't have access to the same kind of glam that they did and so it's like not having any makeup and not having wardrobe but not being as shiny kind of I don't know I hope it I hope it kind of brings everybody down to the same levelDid you watch the SNL from home?no my mom asked me if I watched it today and I haven't it's it is wild because like it's not it look it is by far like not the best episode of SNL is by far not not the worst but it's it's it's pretty bad it’s Tom Hanks Hosting but he's not in any skits so you see him at the beginning and the end but that's it but they actually something that was really smart but they didn't it to I don't think it worked if it to me it felt so f****** weird was that during Weekend Update which It's just the two of them at their respective homes and Michael che's Grays are coming in because he doesn't have access to hair dye which is fine but what was wild Was they had people that were like not on the video so like on a zoom chat that we're just watching live time it was like probably like 7-10 people that were laughing and it was really but it felt Like a 50s sitcom in a way like it felt like a laugh track So it felt really weird and forced and it was really, really weird and they tried and I mean you know what first time maybe they do this again in a few weeks and then we see where we're at but like yeah it was weird Like you were in Tom Hanks kitchen super strange funny we are getting introduced to your Idols in a whole different kind of platform That's funny though because I watch I watch The Daily Show in the morning every morning like News cuz i cant Bear to watch the real news so The Daily Show and they're doing social distancing hour from home and he's like doing it from the couch which is great but there's no laugh track so it's funny cuz he hit a punch line and it's just like silent and you can tell like he's a stand up comedian he is used to doing it in the studio with a live audience and funny watching the jokes land without audience to laugh at them cuz it's just like you can't laugh at your own okay cool so bizarre5:30Totally so the weirdest of the weird and I implore you to get on Hulu and watch this right after we're done or f****** it during, is the WWE like they are trying to act like nothing has happened like I understand this is weird whatever but like the wrestlers come down is no audience right so they come down and there wrestling in their Performance Center in Orlando but like some of them are better at it than others some of them like understand the situation they read the room others are coming out in like pretending like they're still like Like the Pomp and Circumstance it's like feeding off the crowd it's like we all know there's nobody in there like no but you can hear the echo of like the body bounce off the ring it's it's the most Bizarre and if you want to see beyond the most bizarre you need to see Wrestlemania this year because they actually went out and made like art like film Noir art pieces as matches for like several matches they were f****** incredible its like they are doing everything they can to entertain honestly When your back's up against the wall you make some really unique content. But For the most part it's actually trash well that's very true. And what's happening kind of across-the-board I think it's just like how can we produce content six Feet apart from each other and I think it's very interesting the things that are coming out but to your point haven't seen the WWE but I heard that the WWE was considered an essential business in Florida Their business is still going on I mean there are so many factors of play there that keep that alive. Linda McMahon the CEO was Trump's small business advisor for 2 years they paid 18.5 million dollars the other day to Rick DeSantis out of nowhere for like a superpac like now all the sudden like you know dudes in their underwear grappling are an essential business so it's just like It is also theatre and it's theater without an audience and so it's just like then you're completely changing the entire scope of the genre because like you said these characters are used to interacting with other people I mean that's what it is It's Days of Our Lives in your underwear that will be the next thing they'll start making soap operas with a live audience 8:00I hope so This is not a wrestling podcast but Talk about Florida with you so we'll get thereBut if you do want to watch we'll talk about Florida this is also Florida but it's Jacksonville where I went to school the aew which is like their rival competitor a much smaller kinda startup they have some legends and some big guys like on the come-up in from other promotions they did it right they pre recorded like 2 months they saw it coming like at ringside they have like the good guys or bad guys and they're like fake gambling on the matches so that there's crowd noise there's things happening it's like actual theater where are like the WWE is just like are two people wrestling and it's like quiet it's like so strange And that kinda ties into music too where it's like I'm so desperate for a show right now I would see anything like anything literally anything is what this is teaching us more about like the way people produce content any of it music video on TV whatever that is we had gotten to a point that we were so immediate it was so instant gratification kind of like I'm putting out and I'm releasing it tomorrow its gotta be fast and then when this happened then you run out of stuff so quickly cuz you haven't been filming all along you haven't been shooting docu-style coverage of everything and then holding on to it and so I think now people are coming to a harsh reality of like we don't have anything to cut together because we only plan on shooting you know immediate-release type materialYeah cuz the WWE is under contract with fox For SmackDown on Friday nights that says 49 shows a year out of the 52 because there's no off-season 49 shows are contractually obligated to be live like thats nuts so they obviously like didnt know this pandemic was coming and so they're backed up against the wall on so many ways but it's like if you know what I fear for my friends at work for agencies and and promoters and bar owners in bartenders everybody basically but those people because like you know it is there's nothing like hot how to bands make a living like you can only record material for so long without taking it to the stage you literally just preaching your choir There is only so far that like you know recommended if you like or advertise buys through third-party like 10 running a digital ad campaign like it's Only so far there is only so many people that are going to click on that Facebook ad not youre going to run out of attention span and too like we're learning now what a weird I'll be it super f***** up symbiotic relationship all of this has with each other right like so bands putting out the music in the venues in the bars and the event spaces in the content you know like you can't have one without the other and when everything shuts down there’s a trickle-down effect of going okay you can't do this until you then we can't do this and then we are all paralyzed look at coachella that is totally getting canceled in September there is no way this is happening in 2020 it's like that I went back to Texts with friends where it's like oh totally going to South by Southwest don't even worry about it Okay whatever I forgot that it was happening the week it was happening but whatever.my point is that look at what it does to the whole the socio-economic situation Like you have Coachella and then by default Stagecoach is also not happening that is not happening so you Literally lose out on a whole month basically more with setting up and taking down so let's say 5 weeks That the Coachella Valley at all the neighboring towns areas in Joshua Tree National Joshua Tree Park is probably getting less attendance because there's no runoff so like and now its closed obviously but I mean that's you know it affects the entire region of the state by doing that in turn affects the airlines that are people flying in and it effects like I mean things will you know where the enemy like the oil companies and things like that but it affects people driving in it affects Gas stations and people buying snacks and beer the whatever it's insane what this has done And you know better than anyone that from a marketing perspective I mean South by Southwest is kind of known as kind of the kickoff but coachella for sure of festival season in general like south by kind of kicks off Festival season and then we ramped up Coachella Stagecoach Bonnaroo you know life is beautiful what's the one in BottleRock it just goes on from there but there are there people who like their entire marketing plan is based around coachella their entire Year's work of putting together like an influencer house or whatever it is is based around those two weeks. It's literally everything to everything and like now you know it even more pinpointed it is every throughout the first weekend because that's when all the party house is happening all the fashion blogs are there and all the things that like you and I dont really give a shit about but That's why it's massively important to a lot of these companies who spend millions of dollars In the local economy. Now it doesn't exist. So. The cool thing about this and you were touching on this earlier is the creative aspect of what it's bringing out is Just unparalleled and it's like one of our buddies who I'll highlight here and is continuing to do a phenomenal job is Billy raffoul. Billy like honestly if he was i always love his content that's so kind of like refreshing and silly no it's amazing and like I said the thing about Billy is that I don't know if it's him or Alex or Zack or Kevin of the guys on this team as well but let's just give him all the credit for it was that they basically For like oh I have to cancel my tour? Okay cool I'm going to tour around my parents property at like make tour T-Shirts and like today I'm playing in the barn today I'm playing in like my childhood bedroom now he’s going on tour with support acts that if they're like he started today I love it That's the kind of Ingenuity it takes which nobody look I know he signed to a major label obviously I worked there with him for three years but you know this is not this is not a major label thinking this is the thinking of an artist that could fully thrive independently but if you know He's at a place at a major label where he's got that support and that's amazing for him but it just blows my mind and then he backs it up with the music but I mean the fact that he's thought of this and executed it and I mean and I told him this too and I'm using that as marketing like I'm like hey bands I work with now this is insane look at this you should do don't do this to your version of this this is like next level it's been interesting watching the immediate kind of shock come over everyone because it was nobody had time to prepare right like nobody had something in their pocket so it's been it's been interesting to watch people scramble and you know when festival season got cancelled when everybody was quarantined then Hotel Cafe is doing UNcanceled and they're doing a whole series of people broadcasting from their living rooms of a whole concert series of people you probably wouldn't get to see it otherwise you know Or and again we know this better than anyone that’s someone that might have played the side room at hotel Cafe at 7 p.m. on a Tuesday night Exactlyand you're like I'm going to be getting tacos at that time I'll be at Trejo's but I won't be atI will not be at hotel cafe I'll be there later maybe possibly probably sureAt 10Right at 10But that's the Brilliance of it I guess we have to deal with what we’ve been given and it's some artists are going to really Thrive during this and some artists are going to really really struggle and suffer Well and I think it's a testament to the people you're you're seeing people struggle to put out content but you're also seeing people at their truest form like you're seeing what they can actually do alone by themselves and I'm going to shout out another some of our mutual favorite people is Nightly I've been watching their lives in the basement and it's cute to like I mean cuz I think they're super talented but I feel like they're quarantined together and they're still doing the same thing you know like that's really truly who these people are and it's kind of refreshing and comforting to see that you knowWell those dudes again they have the same a manager so like maybe there's a Common Thread here just shouting out my buddy Kevin here a little bit but also you know what he's where he works with these artists such that just f****** get it and like the nightly guys like they did you know they they promoted it so it didn't just come out of the blue I mean just shit to wade through look at your Instagram it's like who’s live who’s live Omg live live live live live live live live Totally and that is under selling it but I mean you have to cut through somehow and they have done that On top of that I tuned in the other day and they were like cutting Joey's hair and I was like oh Joey has a Golden Retriever named Carl and they're like carl’s next and like half the videos like focusing in on carl who is just so happy tail wagging to watch his guy to get his haircut wait this is awesome Like I know all these people I know that dog but I'm still watching this because like I miss my friends. It's been really cool to see that and I guess for people that don't know them it's just like oh shit we are in so and so’s living room and there is his dog like sometimes it's like the Wild and stupid s*** that cuts through and resonates and sometimes it's like a person an acoustic guitar and like a cup of coffee and you're sitting there and belting it out and making it really special it's just it's it's so weird who's kind of rising to the top and who isn't it is a very strange thing and I think I mean I hope and it's kind of indicative of what I'm seeing is that like people are gravitating towards real and true and honest more than overproduced shiny you know fancy things because that doesn't exist I think I think people are kind of learning I hope that this is sticking with people of like learning what's real and what's not and and I don't know like this for comforting to see somebody in in their home environment than trying to be something that they're not you know they can just tell and I think it's a it's a weird window that we're all getting in to see into each other's lives right now so yeah like I don't know better or for worse.yeah for better or for worse.I got tired of staring at myself with like this crazy man beard and I I shaved my entire face off yesterday I haven't done thatI know you look like you're 11 it’s greatI do look like Im 11No i think everyone is freaking out not only with their appearance but they are getting bored with themselves and I read yesterday that one of the things that’s selling out online is hair dye people are not only like having to to experiment with their own styling techniques but like wanting to because they're bored and alone for a month so they’re like yeah Ill dye my hair pink no big deal so people are fliiping out and I think its a sense of control thing too like i can edit this about myself and I can I can control this if I can control nothing else you knowNo totally and on the flip side like I posted that photo photo of myself after I shave my face off and My hairdresser was like I cannot wait to cut that f****** thing off of your head. Yeah well that makes two of us. You have a month to wait sir!At least I mean I don't even want to talk about it here is what's really sad I'm supposed to be at 6 Pearl Jam concerts this month and i turned 40 2 weeks ago And I would have hit my 40th show next week. Yeah next week and then after that I was going to go see Faith No More twice so now that's not happening and there are so many failure is doing three shows in July I doubt that's happening it's just selfish reasons but it's a f****** messI mean it totally sucks my birthday is tomorrow you don't have to remind me of like how shity this is to be locked in my house of also like it I've been saying for a year that I wanted to be anywhere but here and I've been staying at like literally for months I was like I'm going to go I don't care where we can go on a trip out of the country on a cruise I dont care I just dont want to be here and now I literally have no choice but to be hereYou are the most hereI am the most here that I've ever been forever and I it's just you know irony is like I just want to go on a trip I just want to be in LA and it sounds like f*** that! LA? you can't leave your own f****** 800 square feet!Does this serve us right because basically I booked To go on a trip to the Bourbon Trail in Kentucky my buddy Mark and his wife was coming with us he used to own two bars in New York he has connections down there we had like five or seven distilleries on reserve we had an amazing Airbnb a Victorian haunted house everything in Louisville is like $0.05 everything was booked and then this happened and I spent my birthday I'll be at extremely it was a heartfelt amazing birthday but I post made at Chipotle and it was awesome I'm just saying yeah yeah well I mean I started out being super bummed for obvious reasons but there's something a there's something comforting about it's not just me in like I'll I'll preface this by saying like this is first world problems like I'm complaining about my birthday I'm safe at my apartment alone with gorceries I will say that I never personal problems I think it's there's something comforting about it like we're all in that it's and it's not Los Angeles not america and it's not Democrats or Republicans it's the world and so when you think about trying to escape of it where else would you be everywhere is going through the same thing and there's something kind of comforting in that to me just like this like FoMo remedy was like you're not missing anything because everyone's going through the same thingNo totally There's like a collaborative effort of failure I go walking in my neighborhood and I walk near Hancock Park and Larchmont cuz it neighbors Koreatown and I literally walk in the center of the street there's like families which is kind of amazing cuz you never see families on bikes anymore or whatever so that's incredible but I'm like walking on the dotted line in the middle of the road there are no cars it's like last man on earth type of shit I run around my neighborhood which I haven't done in years I used to all the time like late at night I used to run and now it's like you see all kinds of people out that you've never seen before and I'm just like all of you live here coolNo it's like hi neighbors you will get more than anyone like I was lamenting about my birthday and like being sad and bummed about it and then I started to think if the pressure that I feel on my birthday is is always like I'm always disappointed I always feel let down or not prioritized or like abandoned by people right and that's like my thing which is why I wanted to get myself out of here and not have to deal with it so the universe was like I'll show you now i have to deal with it in a whole different way which is not going to do anything because we can't right but then I started to think about the fact that like you're telling me I can have an excuse to drink at my apartment see my friends if I choose to interact with them and not put pants on sign me up no I can't even count the amount of important zoom meetings or team chats or whatever Ive done in my pajamas or no pants or whatever in the past month and the amount of Like I don't want to say wheeling-and-dealing but like you know what I meanYeah the networking you do in boxers Yeah the amount of career making decisions I made in my Mickey Mouse like pajamas are kind of like actual Mickey Mouse pajamas are kind of like mind blowing so I'm excited about thatIn terms of memes coming to life is like oh oh all of those meetings could have been emails this whole time correctRight that is correct. I saw one of my friends posted tonight and was like no I don't want to have a video chat. I was like I didn't want to see you before. I didn't want you in my office I didn't want to talk to you on the phone what makes you think want to see where you livethat's a real thing and I know that you're on your own video chats a lot for like work and stuff and you know connection thinks there is a time at the beginning of this where I was like ok enough I'm tired and I want to talk to people anymore i want to sit on my couch in silence by myself and watch something else like it gets overwhelming even the connectivity that we have via digital interface like somebody on a video chat a couple days ago and they can talk like four and a half hours and you're just sitting here on these apps and talk? Like I have shit to do yo it's nuts like like Alina who works with me on my team I text her earlier today you know alina and like she's amazing and she ended up like on my birthday cuz she knows she knows that I would give in to this because that's just who I am and it's like for better probably worse and she's like hey one of the artists I'm sorry I know it's your birthday she text me but like wants to speak to you right now on zoom or teams or whatever and like What the hell it's a Sunday and I actually kind of put my foot down like no I'm not doing this like right fuck off whatever and just super unprofessional stuff but it is my birthday and like my wife she's like you just f****** do it I was like yeah it's fine and I did it you should have seen it comingI did it and it was my entire team on it like surprising me for happy birthday and literally it was a amazing and it lasted all of like 6 minutes and it was f****** Flawless Cuz like what am I supposed to do my supposed to do a dance am I waiting for somebody else to do a dance?Everybody said their piece it was wonderful It was all I could have ever wanted it was wonderful and then it was over and I went about my day it was all i ever wanted I understand them they understand me I work with wonderful people nextthank you nextSo awesomeWe've done a half hour of just us talking which is great Because I knew we wouldn't be want for things to talk about but what are we drinking I am drinking a bullet 10 year I'm drinking bullit 95 I opened a new bottle just for you cuz I figured this is a thing that is happeningThats amazing my friend Mark got me a bottle of Pikesville Rye was I'm not a big rye guy and I dont either but mine is also the rye Well the bullit rye is delicious but this Pikesville Rye I finished it like the first week of quarantine on my own and it's a hundred and ten proof so you really can't go for it too hard when you're just alone but it was the most delicious rye of my lifeI like the bullet right I'm not a rye fan either but the bullet rye I like it's it's chill I also invested invested I obtained a bunch of these plastic ice balls that don't leak now which is great I like I do whiskey like with one Ice Cube just to like water it down but I don't like it too get to unless it's shity whiskey and then which case yeah water it down but I don't want it to get too watery so I've got these cubes that don't melt that which is niceYou're too important for shitty whiskeyAwww make me a t-shirt wait hold on a second here to talk marketing and now we're f****** talking marketingYes well we haven't actually started yet so threatpoint yes that's a great slogan who are who are you we'll start at the very beginning who are you That's like what is the meaning of life. Um. okay. Who am I all right so let's see let's see the CliffsNotes so I was born in North Hollywood California and quickly moved to Queens New York when I was 5 but only because of divorce. Not Because of money and then grew up in South Florida in Coral Springs and was in a bunch of bands and worked at record stores and I think I was 18 spex music which song by the company that became like FYE my mall and this guy is coming to put posters up like every week and I was like he used to work at what the f*** are you doing I want to do that and he's like all work for you know Universal music and video distribution, U M v d so I found that very hilarious and obviously somebody else because I changed it about 10 years later and so you know I always like s*** I want to come into her there so I walked in kind of interviewed I guess and then started interning out of this office in South Florida are they created a job for me up there because they never had anybody in Jacksonville before and it was like a pretty decent you don't have to go to the rest of the dick that is Florida you can literally go to Jacksonville and move on cuz it's it's a pit of money loss for bands to drive all the way down to go to Fort Lauderdale and then all the way back up and then just move on. I was doing all this shit for bands and labels and I didn't know what I was doing but apparently I was a marketing rep not a college rep so i moved to New York as soon as I was done or New Jersey and was a field rep for Universal and then went right back to Florida 13 months later and was an artist development rep for the island Def Jam group which was like rounder Zoe Lost Highway RoadRunner Island def jam technical I like work and you know like I swear to God like it was 5 Ryan Adams records in one year and all the good ones too and then like the braveries first record and Killswitch Engage and all this really cool s*** and then back to NY a year and half later to become the same job but at Interscope on the Rock side and it was like the last Heyday of Rock at Interscope it was nine inch nails Beck queens of the Stone Age 50 Cent stuff some eminem stuff but it was like Snow Patrol Keane it was just like a really great time Fontana started at that point which was Universal’s independent arm working with like a 80 at the time I think 80 independent label groups one of those is vagrant so that will come into play in a minute I literally moved down the hall the same floor same people to work for Fontana and moved from New York to the Bay Area and then up to Seattle to work for Fontana in different roles with hot topic Amazon Fred Meyer whatever and then finally moved back to LA it’ll be 10 years next January to do Label management for like vagrant ipecac dangerbird downtown all these labels Psychopathic the Insane Clown Posse label and so I moved down and literally 9 business days later they fired a third of the staff and In Grooves bought fontana cause we were super profitable So we moved up to Encino and went to work there for a while and so I went to go work and run the Canadian label dine alone went to go run their US operations for a few years and after that I went to go work for Interscope Proper for 3 years which was absolutely amazing I got to work with the Rolling Stones and develop all these wonderful artists like Billy raffoul and Nightly and the struts and all these bands that have become my friends then 10 months ago as of now it's just crazy I came over to BMG and BMG at the core is the team from Vagrant records so Its like these people are the same for 20 years that are lifelong friends and mentors and it's pretty awesome and then now I see my sit in the closet in my house away for the pandemic ending that's the sad ending That's the greatest 7 Minute answer to who are you I love asking that question cuz cuz I never know like how people are going to take it I just assumed you were going to say my name is Rob gross I'm the Vice President of marketing in the music industry and I live in California but we’ll just go straight in to our whole life storiesI was going to do that cuz I thought you'd ask but might as well crush it at one time We’ll skip it. Next. what is marketing I mean that's like a crazy loaded question I mean I think and I mean this in in the simplest most innocent kind of way that I can because we're all pray to it like I I love to fall prey to Great marketing but I think marketing is like so best way to trick you into something like I feel that it like It's not what I set out to do what we all set out to do but it's the best way to bring someone into like your idea and I honestly don't know a better way to say it then that I love falling prey to Great marketing like I was driving to work one day when I was working at dine alone and Of Mice and Men they were putting out a new record and you know I've known the band I mean not personally but know the music and all this for years and I'm driving to work And Koreatown to Los Feliz is not far and I see three different billboards all with different fonts photographs copy different messaging Everything was different and I'm like f*** this record must mean something to this label because they are throwing all of thisThey just invested like a ton of time and creative and money into this I'm going to listen I f****** record not a fan but I went to go check it out I did not like it but I give you the full album a stream because I was so impressed by the dedication they put into that campaign or like if you see something that's fully immersive or whatever you like I want to be part of that I like my ego or whatever or my my sense of knowing things or trying to not like being swept up by Pop culture or whatever Is telling me not to like this but I f*** with this so hard like that's good marketingWell that's a good way of explaining it because I think you and I are similar in the sense that I respect good marketing I respect when you make me fall for something I will rail against mainstream popularity contests marketing which I'm like no I'm not interested nevermind but if something really hooks you or gets you interested or does a good job of saturating a market then I think I will give it props just because of the campaign like you said regardless of the content maisel was amazing at that they Crushed their marketing in Los Angeles I'm drinking out of a marvelous maisel glass right now because they gifted between at a party right now that’s the gift that keeps on giving exactlyThere's two sides of it one is something that I put together so I'm going to be proud of this and it was a team effort But came up with the concept so I can’t take all of it but whatever I'm on the podcast And the other part of it was something that a co-worker did The big picture marketing was at Desert trip at Old Chella We had this idea for the Rolling Stones where the budget is kind of unlimited where we said let's get one of those planes underbelly Chiron and have them promote the Rolling Stones album During Desert trip but do it during Neil Young's set and we did it and he noticed it and got pissed off about it that's f****** perfect the other the other side of it is I used to work with this Woman Hannah Gold at Interscope and she had this brilliant idea or someone on her team but will give her the credit and this was Lollapalooza or something like 2 years ago when Billie eilish was just about to pop off and it was to do she had that song you should see me in a crown and so we handed out just want to see how many thousands of paper crowns so when she came out andPlay the track like the whole front third of the crowd is wearing the crowns throwing them in the air and like shaking them and throwing them around and it just looked amazing it made like every publication yes you can buy that cost money but like you can't you can't buy that kind of like marketing you can't buy that kind of just I mean everything was working in the right way for the project cuz Billie Eilish is a genius she is its just perfect perfect marketing it's so simple like really like a burger king crown yeah sure whatever but like know it it made every major publication and like it looked impressive it was awesome and paper crowns made a moment Yep that's what it takes paper lots of it so much paperSo you have a totally different view on the music industry because of working through the label system the way you are and I know from our history that you have a passion and love for music that extends Beyond career path aspirations and we'll get to that but has working in the industry like changed your perspective on how you perceive musicYou want to say no and be cool but yeah there's no way I mean there's like just those moments that you just could you're never going to forget and like you know like I'm listening to an artist right now I got demos today for an artist of a solo project of a band that I love who’s solo stuff I love But I'm listening to this and I'm like what am I going to do with this in 2020-2021 regardless of the pandemic this is not going to make him any new fans in fact he’ll probably lose some Cuz it's the same old same old and it's like your life is so weird cuz I remember being at a show at a rooftop of a venue a few months ago and physically ran into him and had this like 10 minute conversation with him and I went home and I'm like what just happened I just ran into one of my favorite musicians of all-time Had an adult conversation didn't really talk business I told him what I did after who I worked for and he was like amazing I'll send the demos over and they came today and I'm stoked but if i was to buy that record I’d be very excited. If I had to work that record not Very excitedThats a true way of looking at it because I I can be a fan of something while also still saying there's nothing I can do with it sadly it's like you want to preaching to the choir is amazing if you don't lose the choir but I think Sorry I'm chewing my iceThis is why ice is not a thingWe drink differently brie but I mean you never want to give up your integrity cuz you always want to take even if it's just never want to lose sight of that And I've prided myself kind of to my detriment Especially in the major label system kind of pigeon-holed put On an island in a lot of ways which has its positives and negatives but that passion kind of puts you in a shoebox you and put you in this corner but at the same time that's just who I am I'm not going to change now it's like I don't I can't change it's not going to happen I can learn grow make mistakes not make those mistakes again but I'm not going to change like my ethos and like how I how I perceive music like if I don't like it I don't like it it's not if it's a fake I don't want it to do with it How do you listen to Music how do you understand it dissected imbue at like how do you listen to music okay that's two very different questions is how do I listen to music for fun and how do I listen to music for work so listen to music for fun I'm a complete us like I'll add even if it's in my phone I'll add an entire bands discography to my Spotify or Apple music and just go through it front to back even if I've done it a hundred times before I'll do it again and so my year-end lists are very strange as far as like my most listen to whatever like last year was Motorhead that's like not one of my top 50 favorite bands but last year that was number one because I went through the entire goddamn catalog in are like 76,000 albums so it was awesome trip but I listen to music to like just like to escape and turn off I guess for the same reason people like Fast and Furious movies which are not one of their Merit like Hobbs and Shaw is fuckingawesome but I just turn off Like oh my God I love that snare drum sound These three other hardcore bands were trying to ape that guys sound like in 1997 how did they get that Piccolo snare like I dork out on that s*** like when I listen to music for work Like look at a band like nightly fantastic f****** band like so good they literally s*** out like a future classics the thing with them is it like their target demo and It's not like they're targeting them this is just how they write is for a much younger demo than me and a different sex. Like a 70/30 split I'm sure But I can't get enough of listening to their music like literally every time I would get a new demo I would Just freaked out because it's always like a gem that gets caught in my head at the same time it's like I'm listening to it slightly differently I think over time now I can go back to those first nighlyt eps And listen to them Like I would a Slayer record cuz like I'm digging in like I'm going to fuck like just like I'm waiting for the chorus I'm waiting for that. Breakdown in the bridge or whatever but now like I listen to a new seputura song or slayer song and be like you know when there was new Slayer music and be like oh my God like that riff is so sick whatever But with nightly I'm like oh right like listen to that vocal effect or listen to that Oh I love how they did that I'm not listening to it like a fan you know Until it becomes something that I'm used to then it's mine then I can I can I put it in the catalog then it goes in the same Bin as like Pearl Jam or Soundgardenor whatever it's a weird way I know but whatever is music still a release and Escape like you said like it do use if you still use it as an escape 42:37 definitely for sure all the time especially now working from home like that's that's My hour to go on a walk or whatever like that's completely my time that I can turn off Not answer email not look at my texts not be on Instagram just like I just walk and I look around everything, put on a record and I'm like somewhere else all together How do you group music for playlists? I feel like this is it's one of those things that you never think about until you do it and I feel like it's one of those educational like it says a lot about a person I make playlists legitimately one way and one way only Oh you have a definitive answerI do and I'm sure Ive made other ones and when I was making mix tapes back in the day I didn't do it this way but I definitely do now I make mixtapes chronologically Chronologicallyso I started off of Me being super OCD like in the CD era like where the older CD it would be a poorer sound quality than a newer CD so it would sometimes be like lower in the mix so if you're making a mix CD across those 80 minutes the early stuff is is not as loud as the later stuff so You don't want to be scared shittless going track to tracklike so it was out of necessity and then this is just how I operate now like I have a playlist on spotify right now that's like I picked the song from every band I ever worked starting probably 1999 when I started as an intern with universal through don't like I think the end of my tenure with Interscope last year so it's a pretty rad playlist share with you Im literally going to look it up cuz you've made me a playlist before and I want to look at that and then I'm going to also go stalk that oneI guarantee you it has like one follower but I don't give a s*** I made it for me yeah I don't make playlist for other people unless they like ask me toso how do you make playlistsI make playlists it depends on what I'm doing it for a while it's like for a person or an event or a Vibe usually it's for a Vibe and an emotion rather than an artist or a time whatever the I'll pick if you go to my Spotify it's things that I can intrinsically like connect with each other for whatever reason that resonate in an overall Vibe so like I'll do songs for singing plane vibes I traveled a lot last year and I when I went to Saudi Arabia I was on like 18 hours of planes and I did a plane ride playlist it like current it's kind of hip but then there's a bunch of Throwbacks every time I hear something was a lyric that like lends itself to a playlist it's like this would be good on my go fuck yourself I have a go fuck yourself playlist you know all of this songs So if you're in a mood I put on songs I know we're going to cater to that mood of like what I want to hear and not deviate from thatI love that you should also if you haven't yet everyone should have a funeral playlist like your own funeral playlistthat oh that's brilliant yeah it's like not always as dark as you think it's going to be at least mine mine I guess maybe to some people it was but it was really cool to see like what I want to make people suffer through at my funeralI bet you're a sadist I actually wasn't I was pretty on brand for me was like okay cool maybe they don't want to listen to this super weird like tooth and nail band from 1999 but the song is beautiful so that's a good challenge for peopleYeah Ill have to go to look at my mine’s on like a burn CD cuz like I made it so long ago which should show you how like devoted to whatever bulshit I am for so long that I've been the same literally Since the mix CD days but yeah it's a cool challenge for sure What was the first album you you ever like owned or purchased It was Def Leppard Hysteria I bought that tape like four times cuz it kept getting stolen Summer camp thing in 1987 or 88 I bought it so many times and then I bought it again on CD and then luckily my friend at UME gave me a copy when it finally Got reissued on vinyl I think I bought enough you know too many too many first concert favorite live act my first concert I always say that it's I saw the abscessed and prong and white zombie in 94 at the edge of Fort Lauderdale i saw faith no more Guns N Roses Metallica when I was 12 But I miss most of Faith No More which is my favorite band of all time which kind of sucks but I did see my favorite band first which is kind of mind-blowing in itself and then Metallica and Guns N Roses didn't show up until 90 minutes late so I didn't get to see them cause it was a school night so I always say my first show was actually 2 years later was the obsessed tour this amazing Stoner Dune band and prong never showed up and then white zombie was f****** amazingSo I asked those questions for a reason Because I feel like knowing what I know about you now and end in the industry and who you work with and the kind of like music that's coming out around us all the time your taste in music taste in music not to mention the incredible breadth of like knowledge about music and General Industry and you know the history of all these bands your taste music is uniqueIt is yeah I'm doing this thing on Instagram where I'd like I don't want to torture anybody cuz I've done this before my buddy Chris challenged me to like 10 records that like defined your taste in music so it's a really unique Challenge and by the way I'm not challenging anybody I literally like the buck stops with me but it's it's it's interesting because that's the hardest one I've ever done because It's not your 10 favorite records it's not your 10 favorite bands it's not your 10 most listened to albums it's not like for example like pearl jam 10 in on there and that is by far I know most people are going to say that that's their favorite Pearl Jam record is like maybe number six or seven for me so but that's the one I was a Mother Love Bone fan as a kid found Pearl Jam when they became Pearl Jam and It changed everything for me so like Pearl Jam Ten was my nevermind So it's been a weird challenge because I have a lot more hip-hop on there than I think people expected from me Like Iced Ts Original Gangster and Beastie Boys check your head and it's definitely not going to make the top 10 but you know like Cypress Hill black Sunday and there's more it's so similar fans like real hip hop and a real metal and hardcore fans are the same devoted fan but yeah its f****** weird for sureYou said something earlier about the Def Leppard tape which brought me back so specifically to memories that I had of cassette tapes that I bought and owned and carried around and then that was how we had to carry around music right like when I used to go on family trips I had like My cassette deck and Walkman and CD player and whatever and I would lug all my music around and be like this is what's important to me but I remember So specifically those albums And I think that's what you're talkin about it’s not my favorite music it's not like you know the stuff that I would put on a playlist or even want to listen to even now but I remember those so specifically the albums that I heard over and over and over again you know that made me a music fan in in a different way There are certain Moments that are defining in your yourth or whatever that like you're going to remember pinpointed to a specific song whether or not that's like your favorite song or favorite song by that band Or even your favorite song on that album it's just they have these like I don't want to say milestones but just like tent poles I guess is the best way to describe them and you just never going to forget that like I'll never forget the bus rides That I was taking back from that summer camp which actually ties into this whole top 10 thing really succinctly where I'm like so obsessed with Def Leppard record and the kid next to me on the bus is just like blasting in his shity Walkman headphones Beastie Boys Licensed to Ill and so then my mom is Super Rad let me buy all those tapes or she bought them for me or like with my allowance I said she never she never cared that they were like parent advisory whatever it was art and that changed my life More than the Def Leppard tape but the Def Leppard tape was first but the Beastie Boys like it's just that I will never forget that moment sitting on the bus are we listening to like Paul Revere I think and I was like what is it why is it going backwards but also forward and then like years later I found out that they were like a hardcore band from New York it's like this is crazyI had What is it your same experience like I remember so specifically taking like five CDs to take on the school trip and it was like Green Day Dookie which I listened to probably a thousand times as like an angsty teenager miseducation of Lauryn Hill was in there great record NWA the very first no doubt record like they were Some weird girl Ska band that no one had ever heard of so so so so no doubt no doubt trapped in a box on it totally that's really goodlike I used to have the meatloaf tape bat outta hell cuz I used to love that tape random shit but I think it's I think it's different you know the thing that's that makes your taste what it is aren’t necessarily what your taste is it's just like an education of all of those things Yeah it's like the weed of whatever that is like they're still like nobody started off listening to like Cannibal Corpse they started listening it literally started listening to Metallica and that was the gateway Metallica is the weed of metal it's like that's the Gateway it's like some people listen to Metallica some people stop at metallica Some people say I don't want to do acid or whatever but that's where you get into like Sepultura and exodus and testament and Megadeth and and then it goes to diacide and Cannibal Corpse and urban Angels you could go down that rabbit-hole but it all starts at one band whether it's your favorite or not it's the one that got you into Where You Are 53:22What got you into Metal. MetallicaMetallica exactly. Metallica end justice for all and I remember it specifically because we were on vacation in Vermont and my mom and stepdad we got this like weird log cabin thing at MTV and one video is playing on Loop like literally every 5 minutes and my parents are busy making my brother 3 floors Down in a weird room, no literally, he was born 9 months later. I think I think six six years in a row I would get him like from Vermont t-shirts and he's like why why why do you think I am finally I told him he's like come on manBut yeah it was definitely Metallica at the album was end justice for all and that is to this day while I do like heavier s*** that is still my favorite metal record of all time so that's like the exception to the rule what interests me is like you have a different perspective on the way you listen to music versus what you can appreciate about music and so I'm interesting to see like when you hear a track you like that f****** snare hits oh we didn't talk about you coming up in music in a different way as a performeroh yeah yeah let's definitely talk about thatLet’s jump into Rob the drummer real quick. well no it's even lazier than that I didn't want to carry a bunch of s*** around so I became the singerYou were the singer Singer screamer or whatever yeah I just was in hardcore bands because it was easy and because I didn't have to carry stuff around so like I said and then like honestly think I'm always going to be a drummer but you live in New York you living here in La like Having a drum set isn't the most like the easiest thing to own an to use so I started toOr to play Or to play so I start teaching myself how to play guitar when I was like in probably like late middle school high school and that came in handy later on I am not good but I can definitely write a song I can play my voice can handle with this like decent baritone a best music so clearly always been like a thing for you like it's been for me like it was like a part of my language but what was the first thing they like you branched out other than like listening and absorbing things how did you first try to put yourself into that worldyeah that's I I guess it was my mom wanted me to play flute I remember she was a flautist remember that I quit I came home from school after like band selection in 6th grade and she's like so and I like I'm a drummer that was that was that I tortured my family for years I mean torture that like playing like Xanadu by Rush from start to finish all 11 minutes of it like playing the same dream theater like paradiddle thing over and over Dream theatre I feel like everyone has to go through a Dream theatre phase to be taken seriouslywell like if you're 16 I mean it doesn't matter like if you're good looking ugly whatever but if you like prog you're making it really hard on yourself and so at least I played drums but like I played prog on drumsIt's two steps forward one step back with youyeah but like but I also like Def Leppard it's just not helping so that came about and pretty quick I found that drumming was mostly a personal thing I could play on stage a few times of bands And we had a band in college where you would all switch instruments and I would play drums on one or sing 1 or play guitar or whatever but I really enjoy the Foo Fighters lite?Yeah kinda before and then during the early stages of the Foo Fighters yeah kind of and then I realized really quickly that I prefer to be the front man and then after a while I prefer that I wanted to not be on stage at all like I do if somebody asked me to come like scream hardcore song on stage or sing a screaming trees or something I would totally jump at the opportunity but under no circumstances would this ever be my job im just not good enough so when did you decide that you didn't like performing or you decided that you do weren’t good enough and just want to do it Oh no brie I know the exact moment that I decided that I would never know I know the exact moment that I decided I would be up I would never be able to Some people struggle with this for a lot of years and you have like an exact momentnope nope I spent years being mad at bands that were like maybe a year or two older than me and like f*** these guys whatever. I know Warped Tour... I have an I know exactly what a moment it was 2002 and I was at dinner with my buddy Austin Stevens who’s now the head of digital something at Warner Brothers at the time he was a good field rep for Roadrunner and she showed me a new band called Trivium and they were like 15 f****** years old and they could run circles around Megadeath at 15 I can barely play power chords like I said I'm out that was literally dinner it was in Coral Springs at this place called big bear that I f****** loved and I was like that's it I'm out not. Now I'm a record guy I mean it look it works out for us both right like I enjoy my career I'm doing okay and Trivium is like one of the pillars of the metal community so it all worked out for everybody when's the last time you sangI think like the second day of quarantine I wrote like a riff that became a tune I've been f****** around on GarageBand again for the first time Me too I mean I sing every day but to like creatively write probably about a month ago I started fucking around on GarageBand too cuz I don't know much about it but it's like I could get myself for hours yeah not move just sitting on GarageBand no you have no idea how much time passes when you're doing thati also have no idea what im doing So it takes me 15 times longer than everybody else Wait no Why are these marimbas These were acoustic drums like 30 seconds ago why is there an echo I swear to God I put the marimba plug-in and I don't know how to turn it off and everything sounds did I buy an extra pack what is going on yeah I don't understand it I don't know what all those things mean I feel like a lot of the time as a different language when they're likes The Reverb and the D noise and this kind of Reverb and this kind of room and I'm like I don't I have no idea what you're talking aboutno idea what you're talking about it doesn't matter that and honestly like that's I live my professional or unprofessional Life by how Dave Grohl is like he's like I don't read or write music he might now he didn't like 15 years ago and he's like I don't read or write music I just I can play by ear and if it sounds good then that's what I want to do so maybe you'll learn theory over the years but like the dude wrote the whole album of the colour and the shape which is a f****** Masterpiece without knowing how to read or write music I think we're good and I feel as more commonplace than probably not He is a misnomer to me because I feel like he's so so so talented and that Almost like your experience of being like I'm good like I see that and I feel like I'm never going to be able to play 14 instruments and you know a frontman band and also like write the way he does in like every are you reading the things that he's putting out Instagram like he's writing nowI saw the first one I didn't see the following there's two more did you which one did you see the fireworks oneyes the fireworks one the fireworks one is good but there's one up about Prince about him playing with Prince for the first time in like an arena and the thing that I love about Dave Grohl is that he makes He makes himself sound accessible like he's just like a fangirl in like totally chill and you know this about me I don't I don't fan over a lot of people and could give very few fucks and he is one of those people that seems talented and also really chill I meanHe is I've met him a couple times and he's super nice we have to go but like before I got this huge car wreck about was 4 or 5 years ago we ended up having like this super awesome night of hanging out and I was like bye dave grohl and then to a totaled my car and it was it was amazing and obviously I was sober cuz I don't fuck with that but I was like they were not sober but thats a whole other story but like the whole band are the nicest guys. If they can stay grounded nobody has any excuse It's like when I was going through marketing with these bands and it's like this this and this and they are just so particular and it's like do you realize the rolling stones don't care about this the greats don't care about this nobody has a long game please let’s everybody play the long game Dave had to go through nirvana too so It's not like he had the Foo Fighters and that's just his thing he has two incredible record-breaking like World influencing projects thats like yeah it's fine. He’s like our phil collins Yeah he's changed instruments 15 times and he's like i dunnoI read a story like a week ago that was like Phil Collins didn't know he was a singer until he was in he was like okay and that's the recording that we like to hear on whatever it was they were recording and Im like the fuck?1:04he's like he's it's actually true and I got to let my prog dorkdom out right now is that when when Peter Gabriel left Genesis in 76 Phil did the vocals and drums for a Trick of the tail which is my favorite Genesis record that year and it's an unbelievable like a record unlike later when they started like getting away from the prog element no its a f****** weird record it's so good but it's like less prog almost because because he was like I can do it already sing the harmonies with Peter Gabriel let me just do it and he did on that it's like wait you're a really good dude but he didn't realize he’s the vocalist for another few albumsYeah he was like I never intended on being a singer I was a drummer and then they like put me on the spot and I didn't I didn't ever try to sing and I was like what the f*** kind of talents that we all have within us but we just haven't figured out yet no can you imagineAre you really good at anything that you dont know I mean I started watercoloring four days ago Im not good I'm still lookingI gotta see this I'll text you pictures and I know you can decide start that Instagram My watercolor Instagram watercolor by BrieJesus I don't think he realized til oh shit I'm playing in wembley stadium to 70,000 people I guess I’m the singerYeah but from that point it's not like you're starting out playing clubs its like hang on get on thage you are gonna sing now. like that's I think honestly like I would know and tell people I was a singer if I was playing at like you know I don't know one of the tables at like the burgundy room like I'm playing at the back table the one that is really sticky that's a Ouija board Im singing its my band but I guess whatever We all have our venuesWe Do I love it so do you want to do your three hot takes on songs albums old current like you gone through a lot of them already like I mean I feel like you could do that was really anything I could pull band out of a hat you does their record in 1986 was mediocre compared to their 1992 and I'm just like okayyeah let me I want to go out on a weird one cuz like my hot take is gonna Be on Tears For Fears Shout that song specifically because I was walking through my completely desolate neighborhood I think on Sunday Saturday maybe and I've just been going through their catalog and like it's such a cool record front to back is great but the Record kicks off with shout and I When you listen to a music like that you go through an entire bands thing all at once you don't just like shuffle through thingsSometimes sometimes if it's a lengthy Catalogue I will listen to record skip around for a little while come back To a record but I'll still go in order I think it's an I don't think it's an OCD thing I just wanna hear like the band I think you're like I was for a long time that like I wanted to hear a whole album it's this from me listening to The Beatles all growing up so I want to hear your whole thing at once yeah that's why I'm really excited that Spotify specifically does water fall releases so if you put on a song like a single song then like 4 weeks later you followed with another song and then like the waterfall so like it'll build off of what you so instead of having three separate singles you'll have three songs that have now comprise am almost an ep so you're getting your Used to the song that you listen to them as you build the album it's a pretty cool process I love it I dork out on that s*** but the reason I chose songs from the big chair I think that song kicks off the f****** record and that is such like a motivational song lyrically its unparalleled sonically its unparalleled and the video is just an otherworldly like ridiculous and amazing for the time this is 1985 86 but that song has so many layers and is such pop perfection that nobody can touch it 1:08I know Disturbed tried to cover it but you've never heard that version you've never heard shout 2000 have you it's f****** terrible so I think that that song is just so perfect. Thats my hot take like I think bands try their entire career to have that song the song kicked off their second album ever like where do you go from there they made a bunch of other songs that were like incredible are still around like Mad world and everybody wants to rule the world but also like I got like sort of emotional walking around my empty City listening to that song cuz like it it's a very much of the time even though it's what is it 35 years old so yeah my hot take is trying to write a song as good as a cuz you can't but you should try It’s so good. Very repetitive. He looks like ducky. He totally does look like ducky! when you write a hook like that you might as well just get out of milk itI'm gonna go listen to it again after we’re off this. so let me ask you a question Kwhat is a newer band that you really really like Like last 3 years Newer band Aside from the ones that we've already discussed that you graciously introduced me toyeah I dunno that's rough that's rough been really hard for me to find it's good music the past few years I feel like there was a big rush of like hipster you know Bon Iver Monsters and Men stuff like five years ago but that whole you know banjo genre came back around totally banjo core not really my thing. Bon iver they're great like musician wise but I don't know a lot of that's been off that way isn't isn't really my favoritenot to put you on the spot I mean no I like I'm trying to if I can think of a band that has I can appreciate their entire catalogue I was late to the Billie eilish train as I feel like a lot of people were also feel like I don't really have a choice because she's everywhere but Im on it now that last album was great right yes it's great.you know I was super I mean you know I was super into the 1975 but their early stuff Like years was so I was a big 1975 fan in like 2013 That was the stuff that I was working with the vagrant guys and it's like sex chocolate goes. Those first three eps were just incredibleso well the first 4 eps that made up that first self-titled like that's one of the albums if I were to do my like you know 10 most influential like. That first self-titled that was those four EPS like I listen to that like crazy and coincides with a time in my life that I needed I needed that music you know like I felt it so hard and I think that's that band he does a great job juxtapositioning music and lyrics well on either side like they're they're great Melodies and great Tunes with words that actually resonate you know I'm notThat’ll work I think maybe three years is a long time trying to Rack my brain to for myself and I can't figure it out so let's just go with that because honestly for like lifer music fans last decade that's pretty solid Yeah last 3 years I don't know I don't know if I could come up with somebody that I was like I'm super into all of their shit but the last band I got really really into was a 1975 and that was you know when they first when the EPS I think it was like when music for cars we're still doing the first four EPS before the site self-titled and and I love that record right it's great it's I mean it's obviously They're literally still releasing tracks from it they're literally like putting tracks from it on their new record so yeah I like 75 tracks or whatever that make the new record. Well now it's grown into something totally different and I also feel like the 1975 Has influenced a lot of the new stuff coming out like I hear things now and I'm like that sounds like old 1975 records and i don't dig the new stuff as much but i totally respect that they are changing and adapting and this last release things not release the song that sounds the same on that entire project so you know I can't fault them for thatwell you just find out like you find out real quick which band is your AC DC and which one isn’t and that's fine like everyone has their bad like I love this band propane that's like this old school hardcore band from New York and like every record Is a variation on a theme and I know what I'm going to get but like that's the only band I want that from all the other bands I want them to be weird and take chances and all the sudden make a weird pop record if they don't make pop records like I want that so I think that's everyone needs to have their ACDC and then everything else is be more fluid For lack of a better term I mean that's a real shity term but you know what I mean I just I'm going through playlist that I made kind of like recently and a lot of old R&B a lot of Stevie Wonder I listen to I mean I'm a singer first so I kind of gravitate to stuff that i can sing to or either has that or has that within it so like melody or Harmony or like Leon Bridges I like his new stuff Maggie Rogers I like Shes great they're both greatbut I'm also listening to Boston Boston is awesomeand pharcyde on here oh that's great canadian hip hopgreat Pass Me By I got to see them at field trip which was like this amazing almost like Central Park Summerstage been in Toronto and it's all Toronto and like related artists I got to see them right after I had back surgery a few years ago I definitely flew to premature but like it was I was working the Feist and tei shei and like Broken Social Scene play it and pharcyde and I didn't know they were playing tonight and I should have looked at the billI mean do you know rex orange county I do of course he’s been around in last 3 years for sure like cuz I think 2018-2019 his record came out like I find him endearing he has an interesting voicevery interesting for sureYeah that's what I am I'm sorry I don't have a betterfor me I'm already like 10 years I think I like the artists I listen to thats not like from 1991 is probably Father John Misty like I I know it's cliche of people still dont fuck with him or whatever but the guy is an incredible Storyteller in an amazing songwriter so you know his 1st 2nd and 4th records are ridiculously good I was going to ask if there was a band that you could never hear from again and not care who would it be but I feel like in our case there's a lot of bands we could never heard from and not carelike trying times to s*** talk bands but I can definitely get away with never hearing or seeing Coldplay again I know that sounds really cliche but I've never been a fan I honestly I know it's sacrilegious but I really could give to shits about Radiohead like I just don't like get it if people that like we used to understand no I completely f****** understand YeahI love their first 3 records I didn't Pablo Honey the bends and Okay computer are masterpieces and I think that an incredible bandI just don't care for it and people have been trying to sell me some Radiohead and Prince my entire life I don't fuk with either of them and Prince to me is just like edit my dude edit it's just not for me Yeah there's a lotI respect him to no end but I could definitely go without ever hearing or seeing them ever againyeah that's those are those are good options I thought you were going to pick like Nickelback which I was like oh yes obviously That's not even a band that I would like even considerlistening to in the first place here's the thing right it's people like rag on the Kardashians are Nickelback or whatever it's just low-hanging fruit like Dig deeper do something that challenges peoplelike me saying I don't fuck with prince probably angered like a hundred of my friends right off the bat sound like yeah I don't care like I just don't care I don't have time to listen to this f****** crazy Jehovah's Witness self-serving assless chaps wearing that chaps thing is probably the coolest thing he's ever done I just don't f*** with prince I've tried so hard but you can just listen to Morris Day and The Time he's so much better than Prince But that's the thing is I was just having a conversation recently that the best way to have an argument with someone is to educate yourself on the subject I specifically was talking about christianity and i feel you and I have similar opinions in that we both grew up in the South and are leftward leaning in our beliefs sure sureI won't speak for you but I think we are similar I was talking about the best way to have an argument with someone who has such staunch beliefs is to educate yourself on the subject and then beat them with their own rhetoric TotallyAnd I feel like you're talking the same thing like prince fans are like But its Prince and yeah butYeah but he played SNL maybe his last time he played SNL and I just happened to be watching SNL not to come full circle to our conversation tonight and he played a riff in the middle of the song and everyone is like prince is metal but he literally played and poorly and I know he's funky but he ruined the groove of Pantera’s I'm broken stole the riff stole the breakdown stole and threw it in the middle of whatever terrible song he was playing in all my metal friends were like did you see that and I'm like yeah it's horrible it sounded like you were on a Carnival Cruise Ship you get to the deck and the shitty band is playing shity covers of songs that you actually love I will never I f****** hate Eric Clapton and Derek and the Dominos and you should listen to slow hand and I have and I don't give a s*** he ruined I Shot the Sheriff he's immensely talented I just do not f*** with Eric Clapton why would I waste my time with that when I can listen to George Harrison Zeppelin or Sabbath or I don't fuck with it I just don't and I kind of feel the same way I appreciate the Who but after seeing them live last year I was like I love the band I just don't appreciate Pete Townsend Thats how I feel about lana del ray every time I see her Im like I could listen to florence and the machine or any other other Amy Winehouse like I was just like Sure like go deeper like chelsea wolf or emma ruth rundle who are doing what she’s doing but way better.there are too many options for me to choose to berate my eardrums over and over again Sure i respect that well i don't have to ask you a Controversial opinion you have because it's that. What is something you're looking forward to other than the pandemic endingIt’s the pandemic ending I’m very fortunate and can work from home and they’ve been wonderful to us There is that it's just so wonderful and they've been so good with us kind of just adapted we all definitely I miss shitty bars and I miss shows I miss my friends and I miss being able to like you know come over the other night in like you know I like all my God like a guy tonight you thinks he's a promoter and blah blah blah I just miss all the b******* I I didn't think I did I really miss all the craziness of living in LAthat’s surprising about you that you that you miss it so much cuz we're so meh I also love being at home I think what it is I think you'll agree with me is that I missed the I miss the ability to decide for myself if I want to go or not like ah yes. so that's that's what I miss and the sooner that comes to an end I think even in stages I think like can go out to a restaurant or just go to a bar and meet a friend at like even if it's at a third capacity which I think that's the way it's going to go but i miss the choicethat's very true what's the what's the first show we're going to go to when we get out of this probably something really shitty Hotel Cafe Nice. which Im stoked for so let's fucken do it Thank you for chatting with me I'm excited to go to some shity show with you cuz it's like one of my favorite things to do.Same let's go see you like good man shity bands yeah I'm really excited to like get back in you know just it's going to be crazy we haven't like people that you see like I see you pretty regularly it's going to be crazy to like not see people for 6-7 months or however long this is going to last and then go to a room and see people you like see people you despise so I think it's going to be a very strange Dynamic that I think we'll get over pretty quick but I'm stoked for thatthank you for having me and let me blab on for an hour 40 minutes I loved itI'll see you tomorrow night at my fake birthday party happy pre Birthday and I'll see you tomorrow night thanks
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